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Old December 14th, 2009
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Default What is the point of POP alert in a detector?

I read the stuff on the Valentine site about this as well and still am not sure I understand it. Is it different than just an instant on alert? Why its useful for the driver to know that its a POP when the RD gives you a sudden on full power signal anyway.
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IO or I/O – Instant On Radar: Is a term associated when a LEO waits until the last possible opportunity and then turns on his or her radar giving the target vehicle no advanced warning. This is done typically when the LEO knows the vehicle is speeding and therefore is less concerned with warning any other vehicles down the road as they have their target in sight.
Source: Speed Trap Hunter

POP Radar - MPH Industries first introduced POP radar technology (also known as the Super Bee) in its radar guns in 1999 as a way to defeat radar detectors. Today MPH's radar guns while operating in POP mode, can defeat over 85% of the radar detectors in use today.

POP mode works by sending out a quick burst of pulse radar at approximately 67 milliseconds. MPH Industries admits that while in this mode, that the displayed speed of a vehicle may not be accurate. They recommend that the officer only use this mode to obtain an estimate of speed from the target vehicle, establish a vehicle tracking history, and then switch to normal mode to obtain the exact speed.

Therefore POP mode is seldom, if ever used by law enforcement and should not be a major concern as an "important feature" in considering your radar detector.
In fact, most radar detectors that have the POP mode have it disabled by default, as activating POP on detectors, opens it up to receive a false alerts.
Source: Radar Busters

QT – Quick Trigger: Is a technique where a LEO may quickly trigger a radar (on then off) to check the speed of an oncoming vehicle while attempting to not alert detectors that may be in vehicles further down the road. QT is basically a manual version of POP as it is controlled by a human rather than a microprocessor. QT time can range from approx .5 seconds to 1 second as each attempt may vary due to the human condition.
Source: Speed Trap Hunter

There is a listing of types of radars as well as acronyms used on the forum at: http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531. I hope this helps.

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Thanks for the response. I think I remember now reading how POP isn't accurate and shouldn't be used as a measure of speed if you are going to give someone a ticket based on it. Are police in good faith though actually not using it though? I mean, when you get pulled over and cop tells you have fast you were going you have no idea what he used to measure your speed, especially if you don't have a detector.
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IO or I/O – Instant On Radar: Is a term associated when a LEO waits until the last possible opportunity and then turns on his or her radar giving the target vehicle no advanced warning. This is done typically when the LEO knows the vehicle is speeding and therefore is less concerned with warning any other vehicles down the road as they have their target in sight.
Source: Speed Trap Hunter

POP Radar - MPH Industries first introduced POP radar technology (also known as the Super Bee) in its radar guns in 1999 as a way to defeat radar detectors. Today MPH's radar guns while operating in POP mode, can defeat over 85% of the radar detectors in use today.

POP mode works by sending out a quick burst of pulse radar at approximately 67 milliseconds. MPH Industries admits that while in this mode, that the displayed speed of a vehicle may not be accurate. They recommend that the officer only use this mode to obtain an estimate of speed from the target vehicle, establish a vehicle tracking history, and then switch to normal mode to obtain the exact speed.

Therefore POP mode is seldom, if ever used by law enforcement and should not be a major concern as an "important feature" in considering your radar detector.
In fact, most radar detectors that have the POP mode have it disabled by default, as activating POP on detectors, opens it up to receive a false alerts.
Source: Radar Busters

QT – Quick Trigger: Is a technique where a LEO may quickly trigger a radar (on then off) to check the speed of an oncoming vehicle while attempting to not alert detectors that may be in vehicles further down the road. QT is basically a manual version of POP as it is controlled by a human rather than a microprocessor. QT time can range from approx .5 seconds to 1 second as each attempt may vary due to the human condition.
Source: Speed Trap Hunter

There is a listing of types of radars as well as acronyms used on the forum at: http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531. I hope this helps.

Bill
Excellent rundown of IO, POP and QT.

The only thing I would change is the time necessary to pull a Quick Trigger. It is possible.......depending on the Radar itself, atmospheric conditions, size and range of target, moving vs stationary, etc........for a LEO to get your speed on a QT pull in .2 seconds or slightly less!

Guns like the Stalker ATS and Kustom Talon are particularly lethal in this respect since they activate the Radar with a trigger pull, and deactivate the Radar with release of the trigger. I've seen video of these guns snagging a speed in what I suspect is right about .2 seconds.

To be on the safe side.........I would lower Veil Guy's estimate of a QT down to .2 to 1.0 seconds.

Here is a terrific video of the Kustom Talon pulling QT's down in this time range and capturing speeds.

The Bel STi-R is catching them too!!!!! Goes to show that a Belscort product CAN BE effective at catching even the fastest Quick Trigger pull with an option like BAND SEGMENTATION!

http://www.blip.tv/file/2856857

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Good point Snareman, but the officer's integrity is a contention regardless of the speed measuring technology employed, or lack thereof for that matter. Thankfully by far most officers are honest when issuing citations.

Should quality detector usage become the norm (not cheap detectors, aka ticket notifiers) then methods of radar operation by police to intentionally defeat detectors would surely rise. Currently this is not the case however, there is no shortage of unprotected drivers exceeding the posted speed limit for police to pick off all day long.

POP detection usage comes down to statistics/probabilities. You will receive consistent false alerts with POP enabled on any detector while it is very unlikely that you will be targeted by POP. The consistent falsing will then de-sensitize you to a valid POP threat. Odds are if you enabled POP detection, then were hit with POP, you would probably ignore it as a false alarm.

Further compounding the odds, POP detection enabled will slow the detection response to other radar bands leaving you more vulnerable to regular radar use (the detector has to constantly go back to the POP frequencies to look for a signal, then continue on with the normal scans).
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Basically, Snareman, unless you can fulfill BOTH of these criteria, turn POP "off."

(1) That your local enforcement community actually has, in-possession, POP-enabled equipment for which the Escort detectors can provide valid defense....

and

(2) That you're *absolutely* sure that they truly *USE* POP.

The second of the two is tricky - you'll have to either strike up a conversation with a knowledgeable (and cooperative) enforcer or witness such use, from "behind the gun," so to speak, first-hand.

Sadly, there's simply no other way to conclusively rule-in or rule-out POP use - even with a tandem-car, two-detector scenario, there still exist potential for false positives and false-negatives.

Unless you can fulfill BOTH of the above criteria, it is, in my humble opinion, more beneficial to run with POP "off" than "on."

However, certain-knowledge of factor number 1 may give drivers in such areas more incentive to run with POP mode engaged. In such cases, it is purely up to the individual end-user to figure out where along the risk-reward ratio such usage lies. It would be a hard call for anyone else except those end users to make, and I would not envy anyone having to make such a choice.
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Default dont run pop

if not in Nevada and few remote places enabling pop mode gives a little less range than in regular mode. and more chatty. I read the sweeps are speed up so much that's why you get the falses and then you turn only 2/5/8/ on like most(I have 2/4/5/6/8/on as there a lot of out of tune guns in places I drive in fla. once I ran into a cop using 35.159 and it wasn't a false but confirmed by me. out of tune had the other bandwidths not been on ide missed him
I hear about new pop? I dunno if in florida please someone tell me and may consider using pop. ty
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