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Old January 3rd, 2016
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Exclamation MAX 360 Questionable Laser Alerts

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Earlier this evening, I hooked up my Max 360 for the first time. After adjusting her to my preferences (volume, brightness, alert preference etc.), I took her for spin and felt she worked quite worked well. She went off in all the places I would have expected her to as I was marking them. Although great at first, this feeling didn't last long when maybe 20 minutes from the start of my trip, I noticed a couple laser alerts that came out of nowhere. I didn't think much of these until after I came to a stop some 15 minutes later and my detector blasted to three laser alerts in a row. Being the kind of guy I am, I decided to read the Escort forum to see if anyone had the same questions as I did, hoping to pinpoint the problem since I was confident these alerts were false. After reading some threads by users relating to false laser alerts, I'm thinking my situation is unique for a few reasons,

First, I've read only one post about the Max 360 doing this. I didn't buy a Max which I have read may do this. To me, seeing only one post on this with the 360 makes this seemed isolated and an uncommon issue.

Second, I've read these alerts can be caused by an inconsistent power supply, often caused by intermittent or increasing/decreasing power in some older vehicles. Considering I drive a brand new F150, at first, I was shaking my head at this explanation until I realized my truck has an AC power outlet next to the DC outlet I plug in my detector that does increase power output while in park. Although that might explain the alerts at rest, I feel it doesn't explain them while in motion. Would a ferrite core help this?

Third, which I have read may be an issue is my vehicles collision avoidance system. Although this may be the reason for the alerts while I was driving, I didn't feel it explained why I got them at rest.

I feel there may be a combination of factors here, but I'm not sure where to begin. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing these alerts? Any and all suggestions are much appreciated!
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Your thinking that the 360 doesnt have as many posts about false laser alerts as the max/max2 is correct, and it's because people have given up on the 360. It has the same bones across the whole max lineup, so the 360 laser falses are exactly the same as the earlier Max's. The problem was simply carried over by escort engineering and marketing in hopes to sell more units not actually a better unit. There is nothing wrong with your truck, or other external influences, it's simply an inherent problem of the max family with no way to correct it.
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Your thinking that the 360 doesnt have as many posts about false laser alerts as the max/max2 is correct, and it's because people have given up on the 360. It has the same bones across the whole max lineup, so the 360 laser falses are exactly the same as the earlier Max's. The problem was simply carried over by escort engineering and marketing in hopes to sell more units not actually a better unit. There is nothing wrong with your truck, or other external influences, it's simply an inherent problem of the max family with no way to correct it.
I think that you are presuming far too much, lightadjust2000. The 360 is doing quite well, in spite of your claim that people have given up on it. From all reports that I've seen on the various forums, it is a top-selling detector. And from what I've learned from EscortRadar, the company continues to work on the firmware for the 360 (as well as the Max and Max 2) to improve performance and improve the rejection of false signals. To this last point, EscortRadar has recently posted that a new firmware release for the Max/Max 2 is expected in early 2016.

To be sure, there are fewer posts about the 360, yes, but remember that the 360 is the newest model from Escort, and that both the Max and the Max 2 have been out longer. Because these have been out longer than the 360, couldn't this attribute to fewer posts for it?

More importantly, there are many well-documented possible causes of Laser false alerts, and they can affect any detector. Just search YouTube for "laser false alert". Vehicle electrical interference is among them, but other causes can be attributed to LED headlamps/taillights, driving in-and-out of shadows when the sun is low on the horizon (I've personally documented this in YouTube videos while driving with a 9500ix and a ZR4 shifter setup), Neon signs, and LED displays on some mobile phones or in-dash displays. I've even set off false laser alerts when transmitting from my in-car HAM radio unit (W5TRB), which I resolved by re-routing my antenna wiring and "strapping" the ground plane to the body of my car.

I don't think that your comment has much evidence to back it up. To me, it seems incomplete and misleading; it might even border on libel.
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You haven't seen any reports that it's a top selling detector, irresponsible of you to indicate otherwise. Escort is not working on new firmware, if they were it would have been released by now as the max is 3 years old and the problem(s) have not been fixed. Regardless of what the causes are for false alerts, they are proven to exist and have no actual fix despite years of promises.

A little bit accusatory on your part to comment like that. I'm sure you will not be able to help yourself in responding indicating your moderator power or power trip as others have posted. Your response will prove my point.


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Second, I've read these alerts can be caused by an inconsistent power supply, often caused by intermittent or increasing/decreasing power in some older vehicles. Considering I drive a brand new F150, at first, I was shaking my head at this explanation until I realized my truck has an AC power outlet next to the DC outlet I plug in my detector that does increase power output while in park. Although that might explain the alerts at rest, I feel it doesn't explain them while in motion. Would a ferrite core help this?

Third, which I have read may be an issue is my vehicles collision avoidance system. Although this may be the reason for the alerts while I was driving, I didn't feel it explained why I got them at rest.
Welcome to the forum, bainca.

As you've already learned, there can be multiple possible causes for laser false alerts. You've mentioned several already, but let's discuss LED taillamps/headlights. I've seen several reports from users where these have triggered false alerts. You don't necessarily have to be in motion. If a vehicle with them approaches you from the opposite lane (typically on a two-lane road), you might be alerted. Or, if you are behind a vehicle with the LED taillamp, a false alert might be triggered when the driver presses on his brake pedal. It doesn't matter if you are in motion or not.

Another possibility would be to ask if anyone in the front seats was using a mobile phone with an LED screen. These, too, have occasionally been reported as causing a false alert.

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I feel there may be a combination of factors here, but I'm not sure where to begin. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing these alerts? Any and all suggestions are much appreciated!
No radar detector or laser jammer system can be completely immune to Laser false alerts because there are many possible external factors. At best, they can be minimized, but there is always a possibility that you might be alerted.
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You haven't seen any reports that it's a top selling detector, irresponsible of you to indicate otherwise. Escort is not working on new firmware, if they were it would have been released by now as the max is 3 years old and the problem(s) have not been fixed. Regardless of what the causes are for false alerts, they are proven to exist and have no actual fix despite years of promises.
Frankly, lightadjust2000, I think that you have once again presumed more than you know. You have no way of knowing what reports that I've seen. I visit several enthusiast forums and websites, and I've certainly had discussions with EscortRadar himself. Furthermore, you couldn't be in a position to know that I'm among the set of field-testers (under NDA) who are using the beta versions of the improved firmware for the Max and Max 2. Given that ER has already posted that the firmware update is expected to be released in early 2016, though, I think that it's going to be alright to mention that the update is real and imminent.

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A little bit accusatory on your part to comment like that. I'm sure you will not be able to help yourself in responding indicating your moderator power or power trip as others have posted. Your response will prove my point.
I state the facts as I know them to be, lightadjust2000; not as a moderator, but as just another user on the forum who might have "trusted" information. No power trips, here. But isn't calling me "irresponsible" or "accusatory" a lot like the pot calling the kettle 'black', given what you've posted? Aren't you presuming more than you genuinely know?
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I know that many things can set off the laser as you have listed above, but it's a shame that Escort continues to use the same Laser circuit in the 360 as they did in the MAX and MAX2. I've seen many articles and post stating that this is one of the downfalls for the MAX series and they still continue to use it.

Curious why my MAX laser falses at many of the same areas that I drive..i.e Down town Tampa, across several bridges and I might say, even in overcast or foggy days, BUT! my Bell RX65 or my Escort 8500 x50 does not.....

On both of those detectors, when I get a Laser Alert, I know that it's real.
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I know that many things can set off the laser as you have listed above, but it's a shame that Escort continues to use the same Laser circuit in the 360 as they did in the MAX and MAX2. I've seen many articles and post stating that this is one of the downfalls for the MAX series and they still continue to use it.
Based on what I've learned over the years, any detector can false to laser alerts. If I remember correctly, you can lock out laser falses on the Max / Max 2 / Max 360 that are found in the same GPS location.

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Curious why my MAX laser falses at many of the same areas that I drive..i.e Down town Tampa, across several bridges and I might say, even in overcast or foggy days, BUT! my Bell RX65 or my Escort 8500 x50 does not.....
I don't know, either, but perhaps it's related to the faster sweep rate in the Max family, or its digital processing. The other detectors that you've listed are all analog versions, so maybe that's part of the consideration. In any event, I trust that Escort will continue to focus and the rejection of false alerts.
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I actually just got the weirdest laser alert, at of all places, the drive through of a local A&W. Twice while sitting there.

They've just renovated so I'm wondering if it might be a new system they're using to notify cars in the drive through lanes?

Could be a freak thing. There was no one around me.
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Based on what I've learned over the years, any detector can false to laser alerts. If I remember correctly, you can lock out laser falses on the Max / Max 2 / Max 360 that are found in the same GPS location.
You can? I thought Ka and Laser were untouchable?

Good to know if true. Thanks.
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