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Criteria for my dream detector (a single detector that does not sacrifice on any key feature or key performance aspect):
  1. Directional Arrows (for SA situational awareness; tried my original Redline yesterday and found myself missing the arrows a lot on Route 195 encounters with 34.7).
  2. Automated lockouts like AutoLearn (without need for a separate app like competition)
  3. Long range Ka detection
  4. Very good to excellent BSM filtering system
  5. Laser performance (had several good range laser scatter warnings from my original Redline)

The Redline EX may be the closest yet, but it does not have Arrows (biggest thing missing). BSM requires TSR 'On' with the EX (for now at least) which does not make sense and RL-EX's Ka performance is disappointing compared to the original Redline and...).

Max 360 does not have good laser performance and its Ka performance is not pack leading.
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Cruiser66 -

I own both the Max 360 and Redline EX running. The Max 360 is not designed to be the "ultimate" long-range detector, but it has plenty of range, along with the directional threat arrows. It also seems to be a leader in rejecting false BSM/CAS false signals.

The Redline EX has farther reach, BSM/CAS rejection, plus stealth. It's undetectable by RDD. However it doesn't have arrows.

These two detectors are designed for different purposes, so my suggestion is to prioritize what matters most to you if you want a windshield-mounted detector.

This said, your "Dream" detector does exist. Consider the Max Ci 360. This is an "installed" setup that combines all of your features, along with stealth, the ability to detect & shift the latest Laser Speed Guns (along with the ability to update firmware for Laser speed guns), and more; but it comes at a higher acquisition price.

Technology is always advancing, and perhaps sometime in the future, a windshield-mounted "dream" detector might be offered.
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I feel like the EX would be an absolutely excellent detector if TSR wasn't required to reduce BSM alerts. I switch between enabling and disabling it, I don't notice huge differences when it comes to distance with fixed speed signs, But the I/O shots people mention. Rumors say that 1.4 will fix the TSR requirement and the IVT will better filter out BSM's? Then again, being able to seg both bands in nice too, it shut up the Acura's and GM vehicles.
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I feel like the EX would be an absolutely excellent detector if TSR wasn't required to reduce BSM alerts. I switch between enabling and disabling it, I don't notice huge differences when it comes to distance with fixed speed signs, But the I/O shots people mention. Rumors say that 1.4 will fix the TSR requirement and the IVT will better filter out BSM's? Then again, being able to seg both bands in nice too, it shut up the Acura's and GM vehicles.
I drive with TSR disabled on my Redline EX, and I'm enjoying terrific BSM rejection. Just yesterday I traveled from Topeka, KS to Lincoln, NE, and back again (360 miles, round trip). I didn't get a single BSM false alert.

What version of firmware are you using on your EX?
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Cruiser66 -

I own both the Max 360 and Redline EX running. The Max 360 is not designed to be the "ultimate" long-range detector, but it has plenty of range, along with the directional threat arrows. It also seems to be a leader in rejecting false BSM/CAS false signals.

The Redline EX has farther reach, BSM/CAS rejection, plus stealth. It's undetectable by RDD. However it doesn't have arrows.

These two detectors are designed for different purposes, so my suggestion is to prioritize what matters most to you if you want a windshield-mounted detector.

This said, your "Dream" detector does exist. Consider the Max Ci 360. This is an "installed" setup that combines all of your features, along with stealth, the ability to detect & shift the latest Laser Speed Guns (along with the ability to update firmware for Laser speed guns), and more; but it comes at a higher acquisition price.

Technology is always advancing, and perhaps sometime in the future, a windshield-mounted "dream" detector might be offered.
Thanks. Right, I know I have to prioritize right now.
The 360, if it had better laser detection, would be that choice (given RL-EX does not have arrows).
The RL-EX, if it had arrows, would be that choice.

I love that both have spec mode, auto lockouts and can be updated by the user at home (recall having to send my RL-O in to ER to get the "expert" firmware that added Ka Band Seg capability (well worth it by the way).

Re. Max Ci 360: Thanks, but for now I prefer to stick to windshield mount detectors. Otherwise it would be a compelling option.
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I feel like the EX would be an absolutely excellent detector if TSR wasn't required to reduce BSM alerts. I switch between enabling and disabling it, I don't notice huge differences when it comes to distance with fixed speed signs, But the I/O shots people mention. Rumors say that 1.4 will fix the TSR requirement and the IVT will better filter out BSM's? Then again, being able to seg both bands in nice too, it shut up the Acura's and GM vehicles.
Thanks for insights. I am leery of turning TSR on given impact the delay has to K band performance, especially I/O shots of other vehicles up ahead.

Agreed, if TSR weren't needed for IVT to work well, it would be great; well, that and the addition of arrows (I know arrows cannot be added given the RL-EX's antenna design).
I tried my RL-O last night for first time in years and other than obvious BSM falses, I found myself immediately missing the Max 360's arrows when I got some Ka 34.7 hits on Rt 195 in NJ.

1.4 next? - I thought RL-EX was on fw 1.2 now? No 1.3 in between?
Anyway, hope these rumors are true.
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I drive with TSR disabled on my Redline EX, and I'm enjoying terrific BSM rejection. Just yesterday I traveled from Topeka, KS to Lincoln, NE, and back again (340 miles, round trip). I didn't get a single BSM false alert.

What version of firmware are you using on your EX?
I meant 1.3, my mistake. I'm running 1.2 on my EX. Sorry for the confusion
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Thanks for insights. I am leery of turning TSR on given impact the delay has to K band performance, especially I/O shots of other vehicles up ahead.

Agreed, if TSR weren't needed for IVT to work well, it would be great; well, that and the addition of arrows (I know arrows cannot be added given the RL-EX's antenna design).
I tried my RL-O last night for first time in years and other than obvious BSM falses, I found myself immediately missing the Max 360's arrows when I got some Ka 34.7 hits on Rt 195 in NJ.

1.4 next? - I thought RL-EX was on fw 1.2 now? No 1.3 in between?
Anyway, hope these rumors are true.
1.2 is the latest, I goofed. Got ahead of myself.
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The 360, if it had better laser detection, would be that choice (given RL-EX does not have arrows).
I've tested Laser Detection with both my 360 and the Redline EX. In my experience, they're on-par with each other under similar testing circumstances, presuming directly pointing the Laser speed gun DIRECTLY at the detector.

What matters, though, is real-world experiences. And in the real world, detection doesn't matter too much. Most of the time, getting the alert (on any detector) simply means that the LEO has logged your speed. People might be lucky enough to get some scatter, but those are pretty rare; perhaps less than 1% of the time.

I think that everybody agrees that the best protection agains Laser must be active countermeasures. I've been using the LSP system for about three years, but I'm just waiting for the ZR-5 to ship. Those will have all of the capabilities of the LaserMax shifters in the Max Ci, which offers protection against all of the current Laser guns.
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I've tested Laser Detection with both my 360 and the Redline EX. In my experience, they're on-par with each other under similar testing circumstances, presuming directly pointing the Laser speed gun DIRECTLY at the detector.

What matters, though, is real-world experiences. And in the real world, detection doesn't matter too much. Most of the time, getting the alert (on any detector) simply means that the LEO has logged your speed. People might be lucky enough to get some scatter, but those are pretty rare; perhaps less than 1% of the time.

I think that everybody agrees that the best protection agains Laser must be active countermeasures. I've been using the LSP system for about three years, but I'm just waiting for the ZR-5 to ship. Those will have all of the capabilities of the LaserMax shifters in the Max Ci, which offers protection against all of the current Laser guns.
Thanks. Have not been targeted by laser enough with M360 to form a conclusion but have read many tests where the M360 was not up to par wth respect to laser detection. So I appreciate your experiences, thanks!

How far was the gun from the detector?
Have you tried shooting the laser gun (which one by the way?) at the license plate or headlights instead (two most common aiming points) to see if the RL-EX detects better.

I believe I read years ago in a CJR238 post that the RL-O has more laser diodes than the Max 360?
Assume the RL-EX is similar to the RL-O in that respect...
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