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Old October 15th, 2009
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The good news is those large dual front intakes will help reduce the front reflective cross section, which will also probably be the only places to mount the front shifter modules.

We did a Maserati 9500ci install here, not a F430, however I have a call in to someone with a lot of experience installing the 9500ci into Ferraris including F430s.

I should hear back from him today and will post the information here.
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The good news is those large dual front intakes will help reduce the front reflective cross section...
Agreed, it's a big "void space," and that does work in rf's favor.

However, there's more to IR-reflectivity than what meets the eye - VEIL Guy's IR-video series illustrated this very well, with *CURVATURES* of the body-line flaring under IR-spotlight examination.

And if it's one thing the Ferrari does have, it's some sexy curves.

Similarly, the projector lighting optics will also work to rf's disadvantage (although the HIDs might confer some protection, but that's an unknown at this point), as they effectively serve as optical collimators, which was again something that we've now seen "flaring" under various visible-light as well as IR-photos and videos. Additionally, their wide displacement is also a concern, given its implications of proportion - hopefully, the small physical size of the vehicle will nullify this particular issue.
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Sorry for the delay rf430, here's what I learned:

First and foremost, this will require the vehicle to be raised. If you are not familiar with how to properly lift a Ferrari then I advise you to have a professional do this. Performance Outfitters is my recommendation, they have done many installations of our products on exotics plus they will pick up and drop off the vehicle for you if needed. They are also good at modifying parts for discrete installations (eg mounting the 9500ci display inside the stock rear view mirror).

Installing the front shifters requires the front undertray to be removed, there are 16 10mm screws holding it on. This should get you access to the front intakes to mount the shifter modules. In the rear of the front bonnet near the top (near windshield) hinge area should be tape covering an opening which you can run the wires through to the inside of the car. He mentioned mounting the interface near a fire extinguisher. If you are intefacing the ZR4 with an Escort or Beltronics detector then you do not need to hook up the ZR4 display controller.

Ideally the front shifters should be mounted in the front intakes, I would try to put them on the top of the inside of the intake. Be sure that they are mounted the correct side up and level (with vehicle level) and squared (pointing as directly straight ahead as possible). If yours has them, you can mount them behind the wire grill (as flush to the grill as possible) covering these intakes or cut holes in the grill to accomodate them. This installer has tested our shifters behind these wide opening thin wire grills and found them to work well behind it. This is a popular installation for them so he would have heard by now if this drastically reduced shifting performance.

Forget about the rear shifter. Even for a professional, that is supposed to be a nightmare of a job. You can hook it up then hide it behind the seats out of the way.

Check your Private Messages for installation contact information if needed.

Lastly, come on over here to us in West Chester, Ohio so we can put the car, err, the ZR4 through it's paces!
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Ideally the front shifters should be mounted in the front intakes, I would try to put them on the top of the inside of the intake. Be sure that they are mounted the correct side up and level (with vehicle level) and squared (pointing as directly straight ahead as possible).
+1 on the importance of aim and leveling.

We've seen just how critical this can be, with both independent testing groups confirming the importance of such, as well as [b]MEM-TEK[/i], in his detailed reviews of the ZR4, further insisting on rigorous alignment.

Given the vehicle's contours in that area, custom-fabrication of ancillary mounting hardware may be necessary.

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If yours has them, you can mount them behind the wire grill (as flush to the grill as possible) covering these intakes or cut holes in the grill to accomodate them. This installer has tested our shifters behind these wide opening thin wire grills and found them to work well behind it. This is a popular installation for them so he would have heard by now if this drastically reduced shifting performance.
Just one question - the installer has tested, but has anyone with non-vested-interest tested such a setup?

Although I am of the firm belief that each individual (type) vehicle demands different mounting considerations - and thus required to believe that such a "behind the wire grill(e)/mesh" setup may work well enough for this particular vehicle - we've seen more than routine evidence via rigorous INDEPENDENT testing that such setups do *not* work well, at all, even under more generous "real-world" data interpretation.

Given that the installer's "testing" has an obvious conflict-of-interest, and also given that real-world encounter "tales" cannot, no matter how otherwise "certain" be a sure-statement of whether it is that the jammer provided actual protective coverage, the ONLY possible way to assess such protective capability would be with independent testing.

Has independent testing of these setups ever been done?

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Forget about the rear shifter. Even for a professional, that is supposed to be a nightmare of a job. You can hook it up then hide it behind the seats out of the way.
That's disheartening.

I know that EscortRadar cannot make this suggestion, but I'd like to propose mounting the rear sensor - if indeed you are not going to use it at the rear - into the front center air-duct, to selectively reinforce center-mass.

Even that low, it may still do some good, and with both that air-inlet's shape (with the defined "sides") and the remote placement of the two front heads off to the far sides of the vehicle, I would imagine that any potential for cross-talk would be minimized, and that this reinforcement of center-mass may provide crucial additional frontal protection.

Unfortunately, only rigorous testing will be able to determine the true likelihood of cross-talk.
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9500i, Red (4307) w/ZR3
Cheetah GPS-Mirror
VEIL G4
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Old October 18th, 2009
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Thanks all. I think I'll try Performance Outfitters. And I promise not to pass through Ohio without stopping by.
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Default Installers in Edmonton Canada??

You wouldn't happen to know a good installer in Edmonton AB Canada would you????
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Driving that car you're going to get pulled over if they even think you're speeding. Been there...done that.
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