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Old November 1st, 2013
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I hate where cars are going.

Can you imagine trying to restore a modern car in 30 years? Where the hell are you going to get replacements or fixes for hundreds of circuit board and computers?

The tests in C and D and R&T used to be about performance, handling and ride comfort. Now, the first two thirds of a car review are about how your damned iPhone integrates with the car's infotainment system.

I drove a new Ford Focus ST yesterday. When I reached for the shift lever, I said, "Oh, ****!" The saleslady asked what was wrong. I was referring to the Microsoft logo on the console.

I don't want a rolling mobile office or home theater, I want a car. For GPS, I have Garmin software on my laptop. It cost $100 and I have a 17" screen when I need it instead of a built in 7" screen that cost an extra $1,000 and will be outdated next week.

As far as electronic safety systems creating a future generation of dumb drivers, too late. It's already happened. Watch an episode of BAIT CAR and you'll see car thieves unable to shift automatics out of PARK because of all the safety interlocks. The cops are standing by hoping the bad guy can steal the car so they can arrest him for GTA. On several occasions, the cops had to give up on the suspect actually driving off and wound up making an arrest for breaking and entering instead of grand theft auto.

I'll bet you 80% of the high school boys in my town of 10,000 couldn't steal my Mustang if I left the keys in it because it's a five speed manual. Then again, very few locals are stupid enough to steal cars where everybody's armed.
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I hate where cars are going.

Can you imagine trying to restore a modern car in 30 years? Where the hell are you going to get replacements or fixes for hundreds of circuit board and computers?

The tests in C and D and R&T used to be about performance, handling and ride comfort. Now, the first two thirds of a car review are about how your damned iPhone integrates with the car's infotainment system.
Haven't really thought of the future of restoring modern cars, but inevitably there will be some that will be sought after to restore. It's not that the parts will be impossible to make, etc.. It's just that the tech will be so beyond what we are using now you will literally have to make OLDER microprocessors, and other electronics -- I'd think in restorations in 30+ years.. we will just be replacing the electronics all together with something more up to date while still retaining the cars original purpose. Still done with restorations now to some degree.

Now, I do like the features such as Bluetooth integration with phone calls, hands free (voice) texting, calls, and other automated processes. Stuff that is handy, useful. Now much of the stuff is hype and in 6 months will be obsolete etc.. We need more standards on this stuff to be honest.

But, I don't like that the focus has shifted to the "gadgets" and not what the car can do .. let's keep it on the CAR not the headunit, smartphone capability. I agree 100% with that.

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I drove a new Ford Focus ST yesterday. When I reached for the shift lever, I said, "Oh, ****!" The saleslady asked what was wrong. I was referring to the Microsoft logo on the console.
lol.. Yeah, I wouldn't buy a car on that principle alone.. Microsoft built the software for this? no thanks.. next.

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I don't want a rolling mobile office or home theater, I want a car. For GPS, I have Garmin software on my laptop. It cost $100 and I have a 17" screen when I need it instead of a built in 7" screen that cost an extra $1,000 and will be outdated next week.
I'm 50/50 on this.. But, generally what's built in to the vehicle from the factory I rip out myself and install a completely different system so we have different reasons for the dislike here.

As for the laptop -- I do keep mine in the car a lot due to my work.. but just having it sitting in the pass. seat is, frankly, just distracting and hard to work with. -- I need to look into some real Laptop mounts somewhat like what police have in their vehicles I suppose. That would be nice.. As it would eliminate the need for about 99 percent of any of these "Features" vehicles have .. and on a 17"+ screen for much better safety, glancing over to look at a GPS, Waze, or some other realtime software while driving.

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As far as electronic safety systems creating a future generation of dumb drivers, too late. It's already happened. Watch an episode of BAIT CAR and you'll see car thieves unable to shift automatics out of PARK because of all the safety interlocks. The cops are standing by hoping the bad guy can steal the car so they can arrest him for GTA. On several occasions, the cops had to give up on the suspect actually driving off and wound up making an arrest for breaking and entering instead of grand theft auto.

I'll bet you 80% of the high school boys in my town of 10,000 couldn't steal my Mustang if I left the keys in it because it's a five speed manual. Then again, very few locals are stupid enough to steal cars where everybody's armed.
True.. true..

It is a bit sad in a way, how a large percentage of Americans in particular don't know how to drive a manual transmission. Go to the UK.. and manuals are MUCH more common.

I get automatics, I do. I don't have hate for them,.. though in sports cars I just don't see the point.. though that's a huge debate that you either are pro or con about

For me, I drive a 2008 350Z that I am constantly working on, etc.. And have never had an Automatic vehicle in my life because I feel odd, and like I've lost some control of a car that isn't a manual trans. It's a real visceral feel that isn't "difficult" even in heavy traffic. Which is the most common argument. Now a sedan, minivan, whatever.. sure.. No point really in a manual unless you just want better mpg and control.

The positive side you have mentioned.. A manual trans.. especially the 6 speed in my car (which you have to press down and back to get it in reverse) is probably a better theft deterrent than the alarm system in the car. I bet 75% of thieves wouldn't be able to quickly figure out how to back the car up lol.

As for backup cameras. Mandatory is ridiculous. I installed one in my 350 just because I could, and they are cheap. But I don't really use it to "back up".. I use it for other purposes.. it is MUCH safer , for me, to use my rear view mirror and glance over my shoulder backing up than looking down at the 7" monitor with the camera..

Before we mandate backup cameras, we need to mandate dashcams in vehicles first.. that makes much more sense (with audio) for bad police encouters, crimes, etc.
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Don't get me started on "Active Park Assist"...

If you need the car to park itself...maybe you should think about a safer mode of transportation, like a bicycle!
 

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