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Old July 19th, 2017
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Update: I tried using my Redline again on a dedicated 12 volt line and Service Required still popped up after about 3 minutes. Guess I need to send it in for service.


I hadn't used my Redline in months. Used it the pass 2 days and 3 times it started flashing Service Required. If I remove power and start it back up again everything seems normal. Anyone else seen this?

FYI, I had the Max 360 running right beside it and both were using the same 12 volt source.

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and 3 times it started flashing Service Required.
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If you ever see a "service required" message displayed, then call the number being displayed to set up servicing the detector. As the message states, it requires servicing.
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I had the Max 360 running right beside it and both were using the same 12 volt source.
Don't run them at the same time.

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I will tell you this. If you wanted to purposely compromise the excellent performance of either detector this is exactly how you would do it.....run them at the same time. Erratic, and sometimes outright LOUSY performance (by either or both units) can be expected.

These are superheterodyne receivers, which means they generate their own internal microwave signals to mix with incoming signals to improve sensitivity. It's those internal signals that radiate from the detector that create an issue for any other detector operating nearby. To the other detector, it appears as background noise which effectively raises the power threshold (of a real radar signal) necessary to trigger an alert.

Now here's something else that you should know. The level of this interference is not a constant but rather variable due to how these devices operate (swept oscillators cycling throughout a frequency range). So, depending on where each detector is at in it's sweep pattern determines (to a large degree) the level of interference being experienced (at any given moment) by one or the other, or both.

This is why I say Erratic behavior.....because sometimes they may appear to function normally while at other times they really fall on their face or appear to have less than expected detection range.

Worst case scenario is the anti-false filtering algos kick in and entirely block out the real radar signal, associating it with the "false signals" being picked up from the other detector.
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It would seem obvious that the best way to compare the capabilities of multiple radar detectors would be to operate them simultaneously in your vehicle, side-by-side, then noting which goes off first.

This couldn't be more wrong. Side-by-side testing of radar detectors should never be done

Here is why:
All radar detectors work by creating an internal signal, or signals, then comparing this signal to the signals which it receives. This internal signal leaks out from the same opening that is used to receive radar signals, the antenna horn. When two operating detectors are placed near each other they can receive this internal signal from the other detector causing erratic behavior such as constant or intermittent falsing and reduced detection range.

Detectors are detectable:
Using specially designed equipment called radar detector detectors (RDDs), police take advantage of these leaked signals to detect radar detectors in areas where their use is regulated. A common misconception is that the detector's case material has an effect on the signal leak. This is not true. All detectors, even metal cased detectors, have a plastic "lense" over the antenna horn area to receive radar signals. The majority of the signal leaks through the antenna horn. A front and rear horn will then leak signals both front and rear making them even easier to be picked up by police RDDs. The only radar detectors that are totally undetectable to police radar detector detectors are those equipped with Escort's patented TotalShield antenna technology. These are: the Passport 9500ci, RedLine, the Beltronics STi Magnum, STi Driver, and the Beltronics STi-R Plus, and STi-R. These were specifically designed by Escort to eliminate radio signal leaks making them invisible to all RDDs, period. You should still not test these models near other detectors because the signal leaked from the other detector will adversely affect their performance.

An alternative test:
A good method to test radar detector sensitivity (range of detection) is by driving towards a known radar signal. First I make sure that each detector is in "highway" mode, separately powered, and detects the radar source. If you can find actual police radar this is ideal because their equipment is constantly calibrated and shouldnt be viewed as a false alert by any detector. Next, drive toward the signal and note the distance at which you received first alert. Your vehicle's tripometer is handy, reset it when you get an alert then log the distance when you pass the radar source. Alternatively you can use a landmark. Repeat this and record the distances for the other detectors making sure each test is as similar as possible to the previous. Take into consideration any obstructions such as semis or other large vehicles, and try to do the tests as soon as possible to each other. Humidity has an effect on radar. A test on a dry day will have different results than when done on a humid day.

The next time that you see a side-by-side radar detector review you will know that the reviewer knows little to nothing about radar technology and that their results are worthless.

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it more than likely needs the Solder re-flowed over the LNA's--99% of redlines need this fixed once in its lifetime....
Does anybody know which specific components on board needs resoldering?
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Does anybody know which specific components on board needs resoldering?
Hard to say without an inspection.
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Update: I tried using my Redline again in a dedicated 12 volt line and Service Required still popped up after about 5 mins. Too service it goes.
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